Before we consider [URL=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=3&version=31]Genesis 3[/URL], in which the story of the Fall is related it is probably worthwhile to note that we are looking at a myth. Myth, as I'm using it here, isn't something false; it is a literary genre closely related to parables and fables, and is a (generally) non-historical, non-allegorical story through which some complicated point is expressed. Because of the genre in which Genesis 3 falls, it is important to pay close attention to what things are called and to the reasons for which things happen in the story.
Turning now to [URL=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=2&version=31]Genesis 2[/URL], for the background of the Fall, we find that Adam and Eve have been created and placed in a garden that contains the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. Right here we should pause to note that the names of these trees indicate that they are not normal trees. They are actually physical manifestations of knowledge and eternal life; two things humans have tried to possess for millennia.
Turning, then, to Genesis 3 we find Eve and the serpent talking and the serpent points out that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil isn't poisonous or fatal to touch, nor is its fruit; it gives knowledge of Good and Evil, which makes a person like God. When Eve examines the tree she finds that the serpent is correct about its nature and decides that she would like to be wise. As a result she eats and has Adam eat as well, and the serpent is again proven correct; Adam and Eve have knowledge as demonstrated by their realization that they're naked. Then God shows up, questions Adam, Eve, and the serpent, and then hands out punishment to the serpent, Eve, and Adam. The story closes with God giving Adam and Eve something like real clothes and then driving them out of the garden to keep them from eating of the Tree of Life, because it would have made them immortal.
So what was Adam's sin in the story? The simplistic answer is that Adam and Eve were disobedient; they ate what they'd been told not to eat and sinned in that way. That interpretation strikes me as being simplistic because it doesn't consider why the trees in the story are "the Knowledge of Good and Evil" and "Life." The trees wouldn't have names if they weren't important to the point of the story. It also doesn't pay any attention to why they ate. Looking back at the conversation between Eve and the serpent we see that the ability of the tree of Knowledge to make a person like God was pointed out by serpent, and a significant point in Eve's examination of the tree was that eating its fruit would make a person wise, which is a repetition in a different key of the tree's ability to make a person God-like. The concern about Adam and Eve becoming like God is reiterated a third time verse 22 by God in connection with eating from the tree of Life. This triple connection between Adam's sin and being God-like suggests that being God-like is much closer to the center of Adam's sin then simple disobedience. Humanity, however, is said to be made in God's image in Genesis 1:27, so it seems that we can't simply say that Adam's sin was in wanting to be like God. What does it mean to be like God, however? One of the more striking features is that God isn't dependent on others for wisdom or knowledge or life. This independence is paralleled in Eve's looking to a tree to obtain knowledge. The parallelism both there and with the notion of being immortal by one's own nature, suggests that Adam's sin was precisely in pursuing the chance to be independent of God. Interestingly, this is essentially one of the definitions of sin, that sin is separation from God.
My conclusion is that Adam's sin is essentially that they wanted to be independent of God. What do you think?
Jon
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I think that since God had given them the command not to eat off of the tree, doing so would automatically give them independence from God. Eating off of the tree would also have given them a knowledge of good and evil, since the act of disobedience gave them a knowledge of evil by virtue of committing it. In other words, it could be that the only thing special about the tree was the fact that God had told them not to eat off of it, since the disobedience of breaking God's command is what gave the tree its effect. It is an amazing paradox that the only way Adam and Eve could obtain a knowledge of good and evil was by committing evil through their disobedience. This was a crucial detail that the serpent avoided telling them.
I find this whole story rather bizarre, petty and too simplistic.
From the outset of the fashioning of mankind, 'god' and his companions had decided to limit the life span of mankind.
The notion that mankind was created explicitly to love and serve 'god' is incomprehensible, especially as man's lifespan was limited.
I believe there is more to this story, with much of it fabricated by those who tampered with the bible in the earlier days.
How in heaven's name, can such a powerful 'entity' place such a silly obstacle in the way and then punish mankind for a lifetime?
Today there is more disobedience and an even greater desire to live a longer life and, if it was possible for scientists to discover eternal life for us all, it would be made possible. Yet 'god' ignores these 'transgressions???' whilst mankind continues to progress in science, prolonging lives.
No No No, there is more to this story, I believe much of it has been fabricated and mankind was fashioned with physical strength and intelligence for another reason - probably to serve.
Good thought Jon, I think the whole past is mythical as long as we recognise the relativity of our history books, buildings and what we generally call history. All of our memories and books could also have been give to us by God or aliens yesterday if we take it to the next level.
I've also been thinking alot about man's fall. I think the essential message of this story is that man is fallen and that we cannot build paradise on this earth or become godly by our own means because we are not like God, the serpent is a liar. The reward for sin is death and with the knowledge of good and evil man will always (except Christ) choose evil which is a sin and thus must surely die (if without Christ). It is remarkable how many of the teachings of our age go against this message, there are many teachers preaching that man can become saved through works or knowledge, the New Age, Theosophy, cosmology (Teilhard de Chardin), Islam, Judaism, etc, etc, christianity is the only religion I know of where it is strickly "sola gratia, sola fide" (even though that is not universal in christendom). I might be wrong about this. What do you think? When presicely did Adam sin? Was his sin to eat of the tree or did he only gain the ability to sin after he ate of the tree as before he didn't know the difference of good and evil?
Command is a very strong word. Our birth parents commanded us and we ALL disobeyed. We all make mistakes, no one is perfect. Our disregard wasn't to eliminate our parents from our lives. 'I gave you life and I can take it away' Yeah no shit! I respect that, but please understand I want a family of my own, and without knowledge I can't secure their futures. I would never strike the hand that created me just like I won't strike the hands I create, that would be selfish. We all live we all die but the lights never turn off. I'm not interested in living forever, I'm interested in family and living well without regrets.
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